He would always be sitting on that chair, there, Kate says, pointing to a stool at the kitchen breakfast bar, on the phone.. It had happened almost surely the last, night they were together, and DNA tests would later prove that Andrew was, (Supreme Court exterior; court in progress; house exterior; Shirley and Shears. "The birth of Zachary gave us part of Andrew back," says Kate. He and his wife also participated in a. It could spare other families the rage and pain suffered by the couple since the murder of their grandson, Zachary, at the hands of his mother in Newfoundland. whether she was capable of hurting Zachary. The first time I had to go into a room with her, David says. With that powerful, evidence, Shirley Turner was formally charged with Andrew's murder and, arrested by Newfoundland police. The Bagbys thoughts soon turned from suicide. And so he set out to collect the memories of Andrew's family and giant circle of friends. That is not a spoiler, as it is on the back of the book. Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. Her former lover was found dead in a parking lot at Keystone State Park in Pennsylvania,northeast of Pittsburgh. Here the grandparents are making nice with the woman they believe killed their, son. Do not get me wrong: it is a ver emotional history with a real case but I am not sure to have a book about it and I think that the family deserves respect. I didn't even know why I was going, other than Mom didn't want. But with special people, yes. thing, because up until Andrew was murdered, I was a Pollyanna. Andrew Bagby was a genial boy with dark hair hanging over his cherubic face. All Access Digital offer for just 99 cents! MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their . If. Mr. SIMPSON: He said, `You'll never guess who showed up on my doorstep at 5:30.' (Photo of Kate, Zachary and Shirley; photo of David, Zachary and Shirley; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photos of Zachary with Shirley and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Our usual policy was just to let her go. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Then I can't consent to more time right now. I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. Why don't you just take him?'. Sorry, there was a problem loading this page. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/DearZachary. She was living with another nurse and her parents, who had also emigrated from England. Mr. BAGBY: Yes. And Turner had said he was a, MORRISON: But there were some caveats. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. She was granted bail and awarded custody of the child despite the fact that she faced charges ofpremeditated murder and had fled the U.S. David and Kate Bagby moved to St. John's. Theyd fly back to Sunnyvale to hold a memorial service. unforgivable and that's just the way it's going to be for the rest of my life. Sold and delivered by Audible, an Amazon company, By completing your purchase, you agree to Audibles. MORRISON: The Bagbys said that Shirley would later apologize for, her reaction. ago [removed] duraraross 5 mo. put Zachary on her lap to open presents, and he resists. MORRISON: As Kurt tracked down Andrew's friends for the documentary he was making, he discovered that not a one had anything favorable to say about Shirley. Shockingly, despite everything that happened both on and after the show, Kate and David made another go of it. Shirley's message of "Mommy loves you" to Zachary is replayed following, Shirley Turner not only never sees justice for Andrew's murder, but by. is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. He was a happy baby, with strawberry-blond hair and Andrew's nose. It gets a bit bogged down in legal tedium. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm not going to kid you, Doctor. Kate and David Bagby knew exactly what they were going to do. Kind of panic sets in, I guess, and that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. The Bagbys hoping to gain custody of Zachary moved to Newfoundland and began a long, drawn-out battle in court and with Canadian social services to protect their grandson from the woman who had almost certainly murdered their son. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest memoir of murder and loss chronicles a system's failure to prevent the death of a child. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. The reason we go through the lawyers is so that we. You will get an email reminder before your trial ends. This quote is repeated over and over as Kuenne describes plenty of evidence of just that: fifteen-minute suicide watch while imprisoned, threatening to stab another inmate, restraining orders against Shirley by eight different people, previously attempting suicide on an ex-lover's property, etc. MORRISON: And go she did, back to Newfoundland, Canada. Mr. BAGBY: She just kept coming back, and coming back and coming back. Kate went to the floor, and I kicked the door and--oh, we, just--just like with Andrew, there's nothing you can do. MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? Switch between reading the Kindle book & listening to the Audible narration with, Get the Audible audiobook for the reduced price of $7.49 after you. And because he made friends easily, the Bagbys home was the hangout for Andrew and his friends. "We had a complete meltdown," says David. Then, even if the court orders extradition, Canadas federal justice minister must decide whether to hand over the fugitive to U.S. authorities. David, the analytical engineer with the scientific mind. He interviewed old friends who recalled Andrew as a gregarious, well-loved soul who starred in Kuenne's earliest attempts at filmmaking. Mr. BAGBY: We were out shopping or something. And she followed Andrew to St. John's. ?I knew what Zachary's fate would be long before it was written about here but it was shattering to read of it from his grandfather's perspective. Some days its difficult to get out of bed, Kate, 65, says. I didnt know Americans could quote Shakespeare.'. Mommy loves you. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) That you aren't trying to take my place. a--with a hand grenade in the kitchen with the pin already pulled. murderer in check. Highly recommended. Two months later, with the extradition process still grinding on, Turner announced she was pregnant with Andrew's child. We couldnt live without him, Kate Bagby says. As far as Andrew was concerned, the relationship was a fling nothing serious. MORRISON: What thought or feeling did that give you? Shirley Turner, a 40-year-old mother of three and Andrew's on-off girlfriend, had fled a bloodstained scene littered with incriminating evidence. Yes,Shirley Turner should have been innocent until proven guilty, but to be out on parole( with her sureties only needing to provide their signatures and not a red cent,another crime towards the innocent!!) MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. I wouldn't say I enjoyed the story - There is no happy ending but it brings to light the serious issues surrounding the system. You Have Been Warned). The title of the documentary, "Dear Zachary" jumped out at me because I have a son named Zachary. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. he was fussy at all. Did anybody want to take them? David says. Mr. KUENNE: I vowed to collect every memory for you before they, MORRISON: As for Andrew's parents, David and Kate, they were, (Graduation photo of Andrew, Kate and David; Shirley with child). She fled to Newfoundland a week after Andrews murder and vowed to fight extradition. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. Would dismantling Interstate 980 repair damage to Black neighborhoods? Mackenzie Long graduated from The George Washington University in 2021 with a Bachelor of Business Administration. This is the most moving and incredibly outrageous true story I've ever heard. MORRISON: Must have seemed like the enemy was in the camp. Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. Then when he sort of tried to get her to go away, she wouldnt.. David Bagby, 61, has written a book about much of it, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, scheduled for release late this month by Canadian publisher Key Porter Books Limited. "He was beautiful," Kate . then one day I realized what it was. We decided we have to go to Canada to watch the trial and we have to go to make sure the baby gets a good start, David says. I said, `Oh, no. would now have to be something else, a visual letter to Andrew's baby. And that's when she said, `He loves you, more than me. I haven't read this book yet but I have seen the documentary Dear Zachary. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. "It was a policeman and he was telling me: 'Your son is dead under suspicious circumstances.' The Bagbys and their grandchild were living in a cramped apartment. He didnt know what to make of it then. The couple had met in medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland. "They are appalled and outraged.". Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' But instead of folding, Kate became a volunteer advocate for foster children and started helping the parents of other murdered children. Not always. The workers notes say Turner spent most of the time talking about a planned interview with CBSs 48 Hours. The TV news magazine would give her a chance to tell her side of the story. I'm sure she died thinking she had won, but I also hope her she is living her justice now, in hell. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. Just before 6 a.m. the next day, a park visitor found Andrew Bagbys frost-covered body lying face down in the parking lot. with a supervisor, and we had to be searched. MORRISON: And ultimately she sent him away, with no forewarning. Unfortunately, it went out of print and is very expensive to purchase. DNA testing proved he was Andrew Bagbys son. A three-volume report released in 2006 by coroner Peter Markesteyn blamed fundamental flaws in the province's social services for Zachary's preventable death. I'm rarely the kind of gal that cries during movies or books and I was sobbing. And now I want to read the book. Afterwards Turner ran off to Canada (she had duel citizenship) before Pennsylvania Cops could arrest her for Dr. Andrew Bagby's brutal murder. After reading what happened to that poor innocent little boy I truly think that the people responsible for leaving him with his dangerous, violent suicidal mother should do hard time in prison. "I will never forget that phone conversation as long as I live," says the former nurse, 66, who is originally from Rochester, Kent. Mr. SHEARS: I thought they were great with him. us around. I mean, the best man is really the groom. Closed Captioning and Described Video is available for many CBC shows offered on CBC Gem. $19.46 2 New from $19.46. 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They have a network of supporters. The next day, she got in her car with her gun.. For fans of true crime, this is the perfect book for you. KATE: Ah, it was wonderful. My gut just churned. I only live a block away.' No spoilers here for my friends but you must watch this film. That woman then escapes to Canada while evidence against her is gathering, and then she has his baby while the extradition process drags on. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible). At first, the Bagbys did not know whether to believe her. May give you a new appreciation for being an American. And it was the happiest they had been since the days before their son was murdered. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. https://www.saltwire.com//california-couple-want-as-many-/ saltwire.com California couple want as many people as possible to know their story | SaltWire So he came straight for me. David Bagby says there were no thoughts of suicide at the news of Zacharys killing. It was the last time the Bagbys would see Zachary. For the first time in years, David Bagby and his wife Kate are decorating their home for Christmas. The murder-suicide was a huge news story in Canada. I--we both did. She then murders said grandson in a murder-suicide. It also analyzed reviews to verify trustworthiness. MORRISON: Even more, the Bagbys' gloom was mixed with worry. Im sure shes just gone somewhere. Mackenzie spent a semester studying abroad in Dublin, and has had the travel bug ever since. We don't--we don't gush very much. She landed a residency at a hospital in Iowa, several states away but still close enough to allow occasional weekends with Andrew in Pennsylvania. Specific in nature? I guess they just clenched their teeth and did it.. not only is Shirley Turner never held accountable for murdering Andrew, but she's allowed to keep primary custody of Zachary, ultimately resulting in his death. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. KATE: And she went over in the corner crying, and I gave him back. Do you understand? The Bagbys could scarcely believe. Then she killed his brother. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. What if she is backed in a. corner? MORRISON: You're in turmoil at that point. The other, their grandson, Zachary Turner. Some months ago I watched the documentary, "Dear Zachery" on Netflix. David has written a book about the case, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. Murder of Bagby: Shirley Jane Turner: First-degree murder ( died before standing trial) Zachary Andrew Turner (18 July 2002 - 18 August 2003) [2] : 78 was a boy from St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada, who was murdered by his mother, Shirley Jane Turner, in a murder-suicide. And now it's just. Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. Unidentified Man #25: I love them very much. Unidentified Woman #10: (Kate holding Zachary) Zachary. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. Time for all of them to get together at McDonalds for Zacharys first birthday party. When we met him, we just melted as if it was magic. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. And when, after his first year at med school, Heather broke off the engagement, Andrew was crushed. and our Co-workers later said he told Turner their relationship was finished. They're like, `What do you mean?' Mr. BAGBY: I have a lot of trouble with those things too, and I suspect what really goes on, what's called intuition, is really a very, very complex calculation of lots of little indicators, little things that Andrew said on the phone maybe. Kuenne said he's grateful that politicians championed a law that could save lives. Yeah, I mean, I can watch that for sure. Cookie Notice Why didn't the many people who witnessed Shirley Turner's disturbing behavior and intense wrath make an issue in the courts more of it? The Fridays he and a classmate from Bellarmine College Preparatory would come home early and fix dinner in that kitchen. Then you just get used to it.. (Driving through rainy street; correctional facility sign; Andrew; Kurt, Unidentified Woman #8: They would drive two hours to the jail. It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. It was like they had gone back to what it might have been like when they first got married.. It was deeply affecting and the saddest true crime story I have ever heard of. I was truly shocked when I watched it. Get Morning Report and other email newsletters. KATE: You were always afraid that she was going to find something. The Bagbys are extraordinary people. Unidentified Man #20: The weather here is terrible. Someone found a car that didn't belong. I said, `Find her, and I think you'll find who did this.'. Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available from thestaff@tvtropes.org. We had negotiated a one-hour-a-week visitation in family court. It's great. This book was very well written, and straight to the point. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. Cpl. ", Get email updates with the day's biggest stories. I think it was supposed to be just a brief college romance, says Kurt Kuenne, Andrews close friend since first grade at St. Andrews School in Saratoga. MORRISON: So different from who Andrew really was, a kind, devoted son who made Eagle Scout at 15. Part of my peace comes from doing everything to change Canadian law. Temptation Island: What Happened To David & Kate After Season 2? Woman #9: to make that journey was awful. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. Authorities later determined his former lover Dr.. "It's a blur of emotion." I knew, exactly what my son looked at before he died. 1 Photo. When I read true crime, I like to see more back story of the people involved. On Aug. 16, Turner and the Bagbys took Zachary swimming at Bowring Park in St. Johns, Newfoundland. I was just gone. Mrs. Kate Holland Bagby, age 101, of Flowery Branch entered into eternal rest with her Heavenly Father on Tuesday, Oct. 2, 2012, at her residence following a short illness. They seemed so real and genuine, and showed more raw emotion than any survivor of a crime I hadn't ever seen before. Such memories are happy and hard. It was part of a pattern summarized in the Canadian governments investigative report: Dr. Temptation Island: What Happened To Casey & Ashley After Season 2? Mr. SHEARS: I can remember being really upset and pissed off about that, happening because I had--I had friends here, and I had no time to tell anybody, basically why. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. What he and his wife went through is truly disgusting. Time to keep marching, as David says, in order to be there for their grandson. (Supreme Court building; Shirley being escorted from court; photos of Kate and. ', Mr. SHEARS: Things happen in America that don't seem to happen up here as. Kate and David thus lose their son and grandson to the same evil womanand the former might still be alive today had the court system not let Shirley walk free. MORRISON: The rage was tempered with a yearning to know just why Andrew had been assassinated. I tried to console them, Snow says. Kate and David were robbed of their son and grandson, and the world was robbed of a great Dr. and person. They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. His wife and himself also were quick to not harvest bitterness towards Turner's children,relatives,etc. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on March 12, 2018, Reviewed in the United Kingdom on September 28, 2017. We. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. I kind of. He made sure to wrap Zachary in a blanket (rather than a bag) and kept him as far away from Shirley's corpse as he could. While the offense with which she is charged is a violent and serious one, the court ruled, it was not directed at the public at large., On Jan. 10, David says, we had to give Zachary back to her.. They sometimes visited with Zachary and Turner as if nothing had happened. There are so many questions raised:why was there no psychological profile done on Turner as she awaited trial?Why did child protection services not do their job and protect ( or even follow closely) Zachary? Source: Kate Griffith/Instagram, David Benavidez/Instagram. And he was crying, so I went into the ladies room and sat there, KATE: Made her very angry. He was in, Mr. SHEARS: I would cook supper sometimes when she wasn't around. The two eventually lived together again. But in their time of supreme grief, they had no way of knowing just how much darker their world could get. I was lucky to get my hands on a copy of this hard to find book and was glad I did. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. The 13-month-old boy died when his mother, Dr. Shirley Turner, held him and jumped into the frigid North Atlantic near Conception Bay South, N.L. David and Katehad been together for three years when they came on the show. For three seasons now, Temptation Island has been a social experiment to see if long-term couples are able to fix their broken relationships by going on an island full of attractive singles. He grew into a smart kid, an Eagle Scout who loved to read. The book is not written as a narrative, with suspense building until we find out what eventually takes place. That little boy, with the blue eyes and pudgy cheeks. Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. The project took a tragic turn and became a catalyst for legal change when Zachary didn't live to see it. Even though I knew the outcome, the day the main incident occurs, I was still shocked when the pages finally reveal the events that lead up to that day. And that always radiated through the house.. David was taking pictures, Kate says. I had NO idea what the outcome was going to be. Something went wrong, please try again later. MORRISON: But would that somebody turn out to be a blessing or a curse? MORRISON: But Shirley would make it tough for Andrew to do that. After breaking up at the final bonfire and ultimately reconciling, here's what David and Kate have been up to since Temptation Island season 2 aired. a month after 30 days. you have anywhere to put that, or that Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Not yet. March 17, 2007 at 7:39 p.m. Kate and David Bagby knew exactly what they were going to do. They forged a relationship with the woman they believed killed their son so they could see Zachary, their only grandchild. He says he would blunt his emotions, shut them off, and concentrate on the baby. Was inspired to read this book after watching the horrifying documentary "Dear Zachary". After breaking up at the final bonfire and ultimately reconciling, here's what David and Kate have been up to since Temptation Island season 2 aired. MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. While fending off extradition efforts by U.S. law enforcement, she announced she was pregnant with Andrew's son, Zachary. And if you haven't seen it, you need to. Dear Abby: Why do they imply my husband is a freak? "When people have seen Dear Zachary, they gasp," says David. the water. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. MORRISON: Life for Andrew Bagby was good. This means that we may include adverts from us and third parties based on our knowledge of you. Copious evidence against Turner gradually came to light, and suspicion of her was compounded when she fled the country to her home in Newfoundland. That they survived such horrible adversity is a testament to their courage, resolve and love. And we were going to be his savior.. By this stage, he had moved to a new job in the US. I am, just under the surface, perpetually angry. Then, in August 2003, Shirley Turner killed herself and the one-year-old Zachary by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. Andrew and Zachary's murders. But in January 2003, the legal system confounded their expectations yet again. But if her claims were true, and she was carrying their grandchild, then they were clear: they wanted custody. [2] : 494 [3] At the time, Shirley had been released on bail and . You were done. killed herself and Zachary in a murder-suicide. I cried all the way reading this, and also while watching the documentary. As always you can unsubscribe at any time. A couple whose son and grandson were murdered are celebrating a new law that empowers Canadian courts to refuse bail when a suspect's child may be in danger. Andrew's parents say he tried, frequently, to ease out of the relationship altogether, but Shirley wouldn't buy it. If I, just kill her, Zachary will be safe. Corporal GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, Dr. Turner, I'm Corporal Gardner with the Pennsylvania State Police. Instead, the hearings and appeals dragged on for nearly two years. Tragedy, doubled Andrew Bagby, a gregarious family-practice resident at Latrobe, was found shot to death on Nov. 5, 2001, in Keystone State Park. Kate has also moved on,according to her Instagram. Mr. BAGBY: Without those cell phone records, they couldn't formally charge. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Or what about the one of me and Andrew? This is a fantastic book. Just rage. 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